Heavy vs. Light Arrows: Downrange Speed and Power


slow_fast_arrowThe instant that an arrow leaves the string, it is at its maximum velocity and will immediately start to slow down.  There is much talk about how much kinetic energy and momentum that an arrow has, but most of it centers around the initial velocity produced by the bow.  However, what is much more important is how much speed, kinetic energy and momentum the arrow has at the point of impact, especially in bowhunting conditions where the arrow must effectively penetrate an animal.  This article will be broken into three sections:

  • Part I: a discussion of how arrow weight affects downrange velocity, kinetic energy and momentum
  • Part II: mathematical look at the above discussion to better understand what is really happening
  • Part III: real world results from experimental shooting

Most readers will benefit from Part I as I discuss in a verbal fashion what happens after the arrow leaves the string.  Many people will not appreciate Part II as I delve into the math and physics, though many will enjoy it, and it won’t hurt my feeling if you skip that part!  I’m a engineering and physics geek so bear with me.  Part III will probably be the most interesting section as actual experimental numbers will be used to test out the theories and descriptions of the previous parts.

Part I:  Heavy vs. Light Arrows, a Discussion of Arrow Deceleration

As the arrow leaves the string, there is no longer a force pushing and accelerating the arrow.  Once the arrow is in flight, the only outside force acting on it that affects its speed and power is the air resistance slowing it down called the drag.  The total amount of drag on the arrow is a factor of the shape of the arrow, the speed of the arrow and the density of air.  Because there is no thrust or anything else to power the arrow’s flight after leaving the string, the drag alone will determine the arrow’s deceleration over the remainder of the flight.

Consider two identical arrows on the outside, same shaft diameter, fletchings, point and nock.  One arrow is very light, and one much heavier.  For the sake of keeping the argument simple, we’ll consider both arrows to have the same spine as well.  When shooting both arrows out of the same bow, the lighter arrow will of course be faster at point blank range.  However, the heavier arrow will leave the bow with more kinetic energy and momentum due to the bow being more efficient at delivering energy into the arrow (for more discussion on this, see the Arrow Kinetic Energy and Momentum article.)

To determine how much drag is experienced by an arrow in flight, the drag coefficient must be known.  The drag coefficient is a dimensionless number (a number having no units such as inches, pounds, etc. associated with it) that describes how aerodynamic an object is.  This number is determined by the shape of the body and can be found either experimentally or by looking it up in tables found in fluid mechanics texts or other places.  In the case of our light and heavy arrows, this number is the same because on the outside they are dimensionally equivalent.

Once the drag coefficient  and speed of the arrow are known, the drag force on the arrow in flight can be determined.  As the speed of the arrow increases, so does the drag force on the arrow.  The faster the arrow, the higher the force trying to slow it down.  Thus the faster arrow is going to have more force slowing it down initially.

For this section, one equation (I promise, only one!) needs to be understood; Newton’s second law of motion: F=m*a (force = mass times acceleration.)  This simple law states that the higher the force placed on an object, the faster it will accelerate.  Also, the higher the mass, the harder it is to accelerate.  In the case of the flying arrow, the force is acting against the forward motion of the arrow and the arrow will experience deceleration.   The force on the lighter, faster arrow will thus slow the arrow down at a faster rate than the heavier, slower arrow.

At typical archery distances, the lighter arrow will almost always maintain a higher speed than the heavier arrow.  Even though the lighter arrow is slowing down faster, it started out much faster and the heavier arrow is also slowing down.  Because the heavier arrow is decelerating at a slower rate, it will maintain a higher percentage of it’s original speed than the faster arrow.  Also remember that the heavier arrow has more kinetic energy and momentum than the lighter arrow at launch already.  This gap only grows larger as the arrows progress downrange.

This entire discussion would tend to favor the slower, heavier arrows for having more power at impact for multiple reasons.  However, as always, there is a drawback.  The lighter arrow is going to drop less over the full distance to the target and is thus less dependent on accurate yardage judging (notice I said less dependent; accurate yardage judgment is still extremely critical!)  For more details on speed and drop over distance, head on over to the One Pin to Forty Yards article.

Hopefully this all makes some basic sense.  Continue reading for the mathematical proof and a better understanding behind the physics of what is happening.

Part II:  Mathematics and Physics of Heavy vs. Light Arrow Flight

In this section we are going to take a deeper look into the physics and math behind what is happening after an arrow leaves the bow. We will start with the very basic equation that was briefly mentioned above: F=m*a.  When the bowstring is first released, the energy stored in the limbs (Potential Energy, PE) accelerates the bowstring and thus the arrow forward.  There is a positive force F in the right hand direction and a positive acceleration a in the same direction.  The arrow picks up speed until it leaves the string, at which point there is a net force of zero for an infinitesimal moment.

The instant after the arrow has left the string, the only force acting on the arrow to slow it down is F(drag), which is the drag caused by the air on the arrow (we are neglecting the force of gravity pulling the arrow down for now.)  This force is acting to the left.  Now that the force has reversed directions, so does the acceleration and at this point the arrow is no longer accelerating, but rather decelerating in the negative (left hand) direction.  Throughout all of this the mass, m, has remained unchanged.

Now let’s take a look at the case of two arrows of absolute identical external characteristics (shaft diameter, vanes, point, etc.), identical spines but having different weights.  For the sake of initial simplicity, we will assume that they both leave the bow at exactly the same speed.  This of course means that more energy was put into pulling the bow back in order to transfer more energy into the heavier arrow.  Once both arrows have left the bow, they both experience exactly the same drag force as each other.  This is because the drag force is a function of the external physical characteristics of the arrow.  If both bows have the same F(drag), but different masses, then for F=m*a to hold true, the heavier arrow must have a lower deceleration!  If both arrows leave the bow at the same velocity, the lighter arrow with it’s greater deceleration will lose velocity faster and arrive at the target a slight amount later and a slower speed.

Unfortunately most cases are not this simple.  Generally speaking the archer/bowhunter is concerned about how different arrows from the same bow, shooting the same draw weight, will perform.  In this case, assuming both arrows are properly spined, the heavier arrow will leave the bow with a lower velocity.  However, the heavier arrow will also leave the bow with more momentum and kinetic energy because bows are better able to convert potential to kinetic energy with heavier arrows (see the article on momentum and kinetic energy for more details.)  Since the formulas for momentum and kinetic energy both involve the velocity of the arrow, and because the heavier arrow will retain more of it’s initial velocity downrange, it will maintain a higher percent of it’s original kinetic energy and momentum!

Now let’s get even more complicated!  Recall in the first case that because both arrows had the same velocity, they also experience the same drag force.  In the second example, the arrows had different velocities because the draw weight of the bow was held constant.  In this case, the drag forces are not the same.  This is due to difference in the coefficients of drag.  This can be calculated with the following formula:

Here F(drag) is the drag force, p (rho) is the density of air, V is the velocity of the air and A is the cross-sectional area of the arrow when looking at it head-on.  The coefficient of drag is a constant that is fully dependent on the geometry of an object.  Because we are shooting arrows of identical external characteristics, the coefficient of drag for both arrows is equal. In our case the area is the same, the density of air is the same and of course the coefficient of drag is the same.  Thus the only two variables are the drag force and the velocity.  Looking carefully at the formula one can see that as the velocity increases, the drag force must also increase in order to keep the coefficient of drag the same.  In fact, the drag force increase in proportion to the square of the velocity.  This means that as velocity increases, the drag force can  increase a great deal!

Back to our example:  if the lighter arrow is traveling faster than the heavier arrow it will be experience a higher drag force than the heavier arrow due to its higher velocity.  Remembering what was discussed about F=m*a and now knowing that the force on the lighter arrow is higher than the heavier arrow, it’s easy to see that the lighter arrow will experience an even higher deceleration rate than if it were traveling the same speed as the heavier arrow.

To sum it up:  lighter arrows shot from the same bow as heavier arrows have two things that cause them to decelerate faster than heavier arrows: first the mass is lower thus the drag force has a larger effect and second, the higher velocity will cause the drag force to be larger.

An extreme example would be to take an arrow made completely of foam (but that was somehow stiff enough to be tunable) and a regular arrow.  Assuming both arrows have the same external characteristics, and that they are shot from the same bow, the foam arrow would leave the bow and a much higher initial speed but intuition says that it would slow down very quickly.  The regular, heavier arrow would leave the bow much slower but maintain a much higher percent of its velocity downrange.  In fact, the regular arrow would even pass the foam arrow downrange even though it started slower!  Generally speaking, with most arrows within the norm of what archers shoot, and where weight differences are not so extreme, the heavier arrow would never pass the lighter arrow, but it would maintain more kinetic energy and momentum.  Because the heavier arrow starts with more kinetic energy and momentum, this can have a significant impact on the difference of energy and momentum that the two arrows have at the impact point.

For those that really want to get into the math, I’ve made a short example to show how to find the drag force and deceleration.  In this case, I calculated an the actual drag force on a real arrow by using CFD (computational fluid dynamics.)  This can also be found experimentally using an air tunnel and force gauges:

Knowing the actual coefficient of drag of this arrow geometry now makes it possible to calculate the deceleration of similar arrows of different weights and initial velocities.  It is very important to understand that these calculations are done with perfect tuning and perfect arrow flight as an assumption.  If the weight of an arrow is increased by adding more point weight, the spine of the arrow will be reduced and the arrow may not as efficiently absorb energy from the bow on the shot (due to excessive flexing) and will continue to lose energy down range at a higher rate.  In reverse, removing too much point weight can make an arrow too stiff and with too low of an FOC to allow for consistent, stable flight and thus will also experience higher energy loss.  These are just two examples of variables that can cause all sorts of variations in real world arrow flight.  That being said, the formulas and theory discussed here hold true and when understood correctly can become important factors in an archer and bowhunters selection of arrows.

Part III:  Experimental Data of Heavy vs. Light Arrow Flight

This part of the article is going to deal with the real world numbers when a light arrow is shot vs. a heavier arrow and the speeds measured at different distances. By measuring the speed of different arrows at various distances, it is easy to calculate which arrow maintains more of its speed and thus its kinetic energy and momentum further downrange.

Introduction and archery equipment for testing

Test equipment for this round of shooting

Test equipment for this round of shooting

If you care about all of the math and the theory behind how arrows decelerate after leaving the bow, please make sure to read all of the original article first. For this testing, I’ll be using two arrows that are virtually identical to each other on the outside, but one will be weighted with an extra shaft and weight layered on the inside.

These first numbers come from using two Victory VForce HV arrows, one standard that weighs in at 326 grains, the other layered with a 1516 aluminum shaft on the inside that weighs 580 grains. The heavier arrow also has additional weight on the inside near the point in order to keep the FOC of both of the arrows nearly identical. Both arrow use FOBs for the fletchings.

All arrows were shot from my Elite Envy set at 29″ and 60.2 lbs. and were chronographed with and Easton Pro Chronograph.

For this testing, I shot seven shots with each arrow at point blank range, 10 yards and 20 yards; then I threw out the highest and the lowest speed, leaving five speeds to be averaged for the results. All of the speeds in each set were within +/- 0.4 fps.

Results of arrow speed testing

Speed (fps)KEMomentumChange from 0 Yards
326 Grains0 Yards316.472.30.457KEMomentum
10 Yards308.668.80.4464.85%2.45%
20 Yards299.264.70.43210.55%5.42%
580 Grains0 Yards243.176.00.626KEMomentum
10 Yards239.673.90.6172.81%1.42%
20 Yards235.371.30.6066.27%3.18%

The actual testing results follow what would be expected from the theory and math discussed earlier. I would like to test the speeds out to further distances and will do so in the future to get a better picture of behavior downrange.

It’s interesting to see just how much more the lighter arrow slows down and sheds its kinetic energy and momentum. The lighter arrow is losing speed at a rate 40-45% faster than the heavier arrow. At point blank range, the heavier arrow starts with 3.7 ft-lbs. of KE more than the light, and by only 20 yards it had 6.6 ft-lbs. more KE. I would say that is a significant difference!

Of course the extra KE and momentum come at a cost, trajectory. The heavier arrow is going to drop significantly more at every distance and yardage estimation becomes much more critical. A three to five yard mis-judgement in yardage with the lighter arrow could still result in a clean kill shot on an animal, while with the heavier arrow it most likely would result in a much poorer shot or even perhaps a complete miss.

That being said, having a fast arrow is no substitute for practice in yardage estimation or using a range finder when possible. Each archer needs to know their own equipment and make their own decisions on arrow weight depending on the game being hunted and where they are hunting. Know your equipment and practice with it constantly!

Future testing

In the future I plan on doing testing out to forty or more yards, and also with some lighter and heavier arrows. I have some 262 grain Speed Pro Max arrows donated to the cause that should be fun to play with (yes, I will be shooting them at 60 lbs, not recommended!) I will also use some different types of fletchings (4″ feathers, 1.6″ vanes) and varying helical/offsets as well to see how much they affect the speed.

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Barry O'Regan April 3, 2010 at 12:03 AM

What I would love to know is, which arrow gets a tighter group and is more accurate, at let’s say 90 meters, like a victory v6 nano 400 or similar arrow, say one arrow with a 80 grains point, another with a 100 grain point and another with a 110 -120 grain point, all shot from a 58 pound compound like my Hoyt proelite.

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Michael Larsen April 3, 2010 at 3:23 PM

Barry, that’s a great, though very tough question. Unfortunately you won’t find that answer in this particular article as it only deals with speed and power, not accuracy. Generally speaking, at known distances, the experience of most target shooters has been that arrows with a higher FOC tend to be more accurate as well as drift less in the wind. For your setup I would guess that the heavier points (as long as the spine stays within your limits) would give the best accuracy. However, it’s always best to experiment for yourself to find the best combination.

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Barry O'Regan May 29, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Thanks Mike for the tip

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Bow Dude July 15, 2010 at 10:51 PM

I may have missed something, so if I did, correct me, but rather than compare arrows of identical size and shape, but varing only in weight, shouldn’t you be comparing the arrow shot from the same bow? The bow is going to produce different numbers depending upon the arrows weight, and in my opinion should be the common factor. My findings have been different than those stated by you. I change the arrow weight, the speed increases with the lighter arrow as you stated, but the k.e. also increases. Because the speed is so much faster, the K.e. is higher at the bow than the heavier arrow as well as the speed. You stated the opposite results. I have checked this out to 50 yards (computer programs) and as you stated, the k.e. drops off slower with the heavier arrow, but at 50 yards, the comparison of the two arrows k.e. is so close, that it isn’t a consideration for me. I have been using T.A.P. for this comparison. I have been comparing a 350 grain arrow to a 400 grain arrow shot out of a 70 lb Elite GT 500 at a 30 inch draw. The numbers for both arrows far exceed the recommended minimum k.e. for big game hunting. So, from a hunting perspective, seems too much energy is being spent by individuals trying to get the optimum arrow weight when nearly any combination will work effectivly. Guess it is a great way for the manufacturers to get a sale by convincing the public that it is important. Dead is dead.

The argument seems to be that a heavier arrow will push through bone where a lighter arrow wil not. In my experience, when the speed increases, the rules of the game change. Consider the history behind bullet resistant vests over the years as they have progressed from silk to kevlar and why. When a fast moving object hits bone, it tends to explode the bone. When a slow moving heavy object contacts bone, it has to “push” through it. The results of the impact are different depending upon the projectile’s speed. I would love for you to do an indepth study of this and publish your findings. I had this discussion with a weapons engineer for the military. He had some real enlighting information he shared with me. In a nut shell, he said that cutting was a function of motion. This makes sense as to why you want to use a heavy arrow when using a cut on contact broadhead…. you need to keep the arrow moving so the broadhead will do its job. Fast doesn’t depend on cutting, it “punches” through objects so weight isn’t as much of a factor. That is why silk was dropped from the bullet resistant vests and kevlar is now used.

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Michael Larsen July 16, 2010 at 9:26 AM

Bow Dude,

One extremely important factor to remember is that as the weight of the arrow goes up, the efficiency of the bow does as well. If you read the “Arrow Kinetic Energy and Momentum” article linked to above, you’ll see my actual data of this phenomena. Because the efficiency of the bow in converting the stored potential energy at full draw to the kinetic energy delivered to the arrow increases, all other things being equal, the heavier arrow will always have more kinetic energy and momentum than the lighter arrow. The lighter arrow will certainly have more speed, but less energy. Couple that with the fact that the heavier arrow maintains a higher percentage of the energy downrange and with respect to energy and momentum, the heavier arrow will always win.

That being said, speed is important as well when shooting at longer distances where small mistakes in judging yardage can have huge effects. I personally like a well balanced arrow and will be shooting a 470ish grain arrow at about 305-310 fps out of my Destroyer 350. Like you said, most setups will have more than enough energy at reasonable ranges for most game and the majority of this type of discussion is academic. But it’s also fun to do the math and play with the physics of arrow flight!

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tyler August 21, 2010 at 9:33 AM

What I want to know is if you have a 350 grain arrow and a 425 grain arrow both leaving the bow at 315 fps, which one will have the flatter trajectory? The heavier arrow?

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Michael Larsen August 21, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Tyler,

If they both leave the bow at the same speed and have the same outward dimensions and FOC, then the heavier arrow will have a flatter trajectory by a small amount. This is because it will retain a higher amount of it’s initial velocity and energy. Truth be told, most likely the difference will be very small at reasonable distances but it will be there.

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Bob July 26, 2011 at 8:32 PM

They would not leave the bow at the same speed. The lighter one would leave the bow at a faster rate of speed and would also loose more momentem because of that if all things were the same with the bow, size of arrow ,FOC and drag due to fletching the lighter arrow would fly flatter but retain less energy if I read it right???

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Michael Larsen July 26, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Bob,

You are correct, but I think what tyler was getting at is *if* they left the bow at the same speed (IE different draw weights on the same bow) the heavier arrow would have a flatter trajectory.

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zaki August 25, 2010 at 5:27 AM

does the light arrow go far or heavy arrow?
does it effect on angle that we shoting?
what is the maximum range it can reach by light and heavy arrow?

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Michael Larsen August 27, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Zaki,

Before I can answer you questions fully I need a little more information. What do you mean by “going far”? Do you mean total distance or effective hunting range? Total distance is very hard to predict because the lighter arrow will be decelerating quicker, but it starts faster and vice-verse for the heavy arrow, so there is some give and take there. For effective killing range, the heavier arrow will start with and maintain more KE and momentum than the lighter arrow and therefor be more effective downrange. However, most light arrows are going to have enough killing power anyhow, assuming the shot placement is good.

The angle being shot is somewhat affected by the weight of the arrow. A lighter, faster arrow is going to have a flatter trajectory and therefor the angle at longer distance will be lower.

For you last question, I need to know what do you mean by “maximum range”? For hunting? Target? Also it’s important to know what are you calling a “light” arrow and a “heavy” arrow? What grain ranges are you looking at?

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Dave September 14, 2010 at 7:46 PM

Ke and momentum are all important, but the key to retrieving big game is to have a good blood trail to follow, which frequently means getting a pass through. I’ll take all the ke and momentum I can handle accurately, but that broadhead must be very sharp. Broadheads like the rage as well as all other mechanicals use too much energy on hide and bone to consistently give that exit hole on elk, moose, etc. The rage broadhead is a fantastic broadhead for deer size animals, provided that the bow produces enough ke and momentum to do the job. What do you think? My observation comes from more years of experience than I care to remember. My solution to the penetration problem is a broadhead with blades that retract as they contact bone and open again once past the bone. I probably will not produce them because of the potential liability associated with accidental opening during installation or sharpening.

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Michael Larsen September 14, 2010 at 8:46 PM

Dave, I definitely agree that a quality, sharp broadhead shot in the right place is definitely the best way to kill animals. The only reason I worry about picking the right arrow weight and its associated speed is for those times that the shot isn’t perfect or something else goes wrong. I personally am a big fan of G5 Montec and NAP HellRazor broadheads. I love the one piece designs and overall toughness of the blades. However, if I don’t put them in the right place not much else matters!

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Greg White October 26, 2010 at 4:36 AM

Michael you wrote “If they both leave the bow at the same speed and have the same outward dimensions and FOC, then the heavier arrow will have a flatter trajectory by a small amount.” in one of your replies above. You explained this counter-intuitive claim in your article as increased energy transfer efficiency of a heavier arrow. Can you make a general claim like that or is it bow specific? Seems too good to be true, I can use a heavier arrow(increased KE and Momentum) and also get a flatter trajectory? I have been looking at the KE calculator http://www.stickemarchery.com/stickemcart/archery-calculators.aspx that allows you to change variables. With this I can find the point at which adding more arrow weight no longer gains additional KE, but I always assumed that as my weight went up, my trajectory drooped. IF however your analysis is correct, then that optimum weight could also yield a flatter trajectory?? Great series of articles by the way!

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Michael Larsen October 26, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Greg,
There is a catch to what I said about the heavier arrow having a flatter trajectory ;) Nothing in life comes for free! In order for this to be true, both the heavier and the lighter arrow must have the same initial velocity! Of course for this to be true if both are shot from the same bow, the poundage would have to be increased for the heavier arrow to have the same velocity.

I have done a lot of testing on various bows and have found that they all increase in efficiency with heavier arrows, at least up to my testing of 1400+ grains and I suspect it will hold true for much higher weights as well. Online calculators are decent for playing with numbers and getting an idea of KE and such, but they do not do well at calculating the increased efficiency with heavier arrows. If you read any of the archery related message boards, you will see people come on all the time and claim they found the “sweet spot” of maximum KE because they used an online calculator. Real world testing has shown this to be something of an urban archery legend. If you read my article on KE and momentum you can see some of the results and charts of my testing that shows KE continuing to increase, though with diminishing returns.

Now back to the heavy vs. light arrow; if you want a better trajectory with a heavier arrow, you can certainly do so, but you’ll pay the price of having to put more energy into the bow (and thus the arrow) by increasing the draw weight. This phenomena and that of increased efficiency is not bow specific that I have ever found, however the degree of efficiency increase will vary from bow to bow.

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Tony Z December 26, 2010 at 5:06 AM

No matter what the weight of any projectile is, if the drag coefficient is the same for both, and they are launched at identical speeds, their trajectories will be identical. Answer, gravity is equal for all objects and does in no way differentiate between heavy and light. The acceleration rate is identical for all. The heavier one will never have the flatter trajectory. It WILL however have a higher KE than the lighter arrow at all points in the flight path.
Now the real question is, if we have two arrows launched at the same speed but of two different weights, and of identical drag coefficients, which one drifts more in a side wind? Time of flight is the same, the profile is the same, but the weight is different. So does that extra weight hold a straighter line? This is the real puzzle. Modern ballistics charts have this information in all sorts of weights and coefficients for small arms and artillery and the answer there will surprise you. But is that science applicable to the arrow?

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Michael Larsen December 28, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Tony,

Don’t forget our friend Sir Isaac Newton and F=m*a. This is an extremely important equation when considering how much the drag force will slow down arrows if differing weight. If you take the time to consider the consequences of this one, simple equation you will realize that a higher weight arrow will always maintain a higher percentage of it’s initial speed compared to a lighter weight arrow. Sometime in the (hopefully) near future, I’ll be posting the full mathematics behind much of the discussion in this article.

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Justin Autrey January 24, 2011 at 12:51 PM

See I would love to have an arrow that has a little of everything. Penetration, speed, and distance. Here in New Mexico you will shoot deer and elk at distances over 40 yards most of the time. I will be shooting a Bear Carnage at 65 lbs with a 27.5 inch draw I will also probably be using a 400 spine arrow from Trophy Ridge. What I want to know is how to get great balance out of the arrow that will give me all of the things I need.

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Justin March 12, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Whats the third part of this article. I want to hear the rest. Really Love it.

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Michael Larsen March 12, 2011 at 6:26 PM

It’s coming! Eventually…the biggest issue is having time and cooperative weather to do the necessary amount of shooting (alot!) With daylight savings this week, I’ll be able to do more shooting during the week and get to finishing this.

The third part will focus on actual shooting data of various arrow at distance to see how the KE and momentum drop off.

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cindy hill March 26, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Sorry, i seem to be missing something. When calculating the coefficient of drag, using your conditions i get 0.01041, are you then converting this into different units of measure?

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Michael Larsen March 26, 2011 at 3:27 PM

It’s because the area is stated in square inches, but gets converted to square feet in the calculation. I should really change that so it is more clear. The graphic above is from a worksheet in Mathcad that does the conversion automatically. If you take your answer and multiply it by 144 (converting the square inches to square feet in the divisor of the coefficient of drag formula) you will get the same thing.

Sorry for the confusion! I’ll get that fixed here someday.

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Jeff parsons November 9, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Just want someone’s opinion of what is an appropriate arrow weight for hunting mid west whitetails say Illinois. These deer have larger bodies, & muscle mass than a deer from west Virginia. This being said I have never had an issue in wv with a cut on contact broadhead. 29 in draw 70 lbs 28.25 in blue streak arrow. Producing 74.43 ft lbs of ke speed is 300.2 fps. Read alot articles & most suggest 420 grains as a good place. Any thoughts

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Michael Larsen November 10, 2011 at 7:28 AM

Jeff, you should have plenty of KE and momentum to do the job on any whitetail, assuming you put it in the right spot with a sharp coc broadhead. The reason I tend to go with slightly heavier arrows (my hunting arrows are usually 470-490 grains) is for those “what-if” scenarios when hunting out west for elk. Plenty of people have killed elk (and whitetails, and bear and whatever) with arrows barely over 300 grains, I personally do not feel comfortable at those weights in situations where the arrow doesn’t hit perfectly.

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T January 13, 2012 at 4:37 PM

You’re an idiot. The only force is drag? You’re going into a physics discussion about this? Do you live in a place where there is no gravity?

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Michael Larsen January 13, 2012 at 4:49 PM

T said: [You’re an idiot. The only force is drag? You’re going into a physics discussion about this? Do you live in a place where there is no gravity?]

T, I am sure you would love to explain to everyone how gravity affects downrange speed and power. ;)

Yes, gravity does have an effect on the arrow but not with respect to the topic of this discussion. You might notice that within the section II that I specifically mentioned that gravity is a force, but is being neglected with respect to the topic of this article.

Gravity affects the trajectory, not the horizontal component of velocity. As such, gravity affects how fast the arrow accelerates and falls toward the earth. In this sense it is contributing in a positive manner to the overall velocity vector but in the grand sense has virtually no impact on the downrange speed and power of the arrow.

Here’s the article that deals more specifically with how gravity affects the flight of an arrow: http://archeryreport.com/2011/06/understanding-arrows-drop/

If you would like to contribute to the conversation, I would advise that you drop the name calling and backup your assertions with some positive dialog and evidence. Have a good day!

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nick January 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM

What happens if you shoot arrows identical in every way, but one is 28in long and one is 33in long. (I do understand that this is hypothetical obviously there would be spine adjustments in the real world) So basically what I am asking is if two arrows are in perfect flight but one is longer does the length affect the flight. is one more or less forgiving?

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Michael Larsen January 25, 2012 at 5:39 PM

nick, The longer one would lose a very, very little amount more of speed over the long haul. The total drag is a function of the total surface area and the longer would experience just a tiny bit more drag. Assuming all else equal, FOC, spine, tune, efficiency, etc. I would guess that you would be hard pressed to measure a difference.

Would one be more forgiving than the other? I can’t see anything that sticks out that would say so. The assumption that they both have the same dynamic spine, FOC and tune the same would lead me to believe that they would be the same. Interesting thought experiment…

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nick January 31, 2012 at 7:50 PM

I am currently shooting a 458 grain arrow at 288 fps, this is a 10.7 per in grain arrow with a 100 grain point. ( I have a 31 in draw shooting a 300 spine easton arrow) I am new to archery and I am no speed freak, just looking for the most stable situation I can come up with, but still maintain a practical hunting setup. Would shooting a 125 grain point benefit me by moving the balance point forward? I do understand most of what your talking about, but the extreme situations don’t help me other than getting the point. I would like to know more about how the small changes in weight and where the weight is placed affects how my arrow flies. I know I am getting slightly off topic, but still dealing with weight (and how it affects accuracy). How do you know (with out the use of a high speed camera) if your spine is right? will I need a stiffer spine with a 125 grain point? Too bad you have to deal with some inappropriate comments, it’s hard to find people who truly understand what is going on. I know some great archers that don’t have a clue how it works, they just know how to hit a bullseye. Your knowledge is much appreciated.

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Michael Larsen January 31, 2012 at 9:13 PM

nick, changing to a 125 grain point would definitely boost your FOC and in my experience, that’s *almost* always a good thing. It tends to create a more stable arrow, especially in adverse conditions. Arrows will stabilize quicker and have a higher penetration potential with a higher (within reason) FOC. What shaft are you shooting? 300 spine would most like work fine for a heavier point. The best advice I can give you is to trying some heavier points and see how it goes, especially at longer distances. Just because you increase FOC isn’t an automatic win, but it certainly can be and is definitely worth the time to do some experimenting.

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